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Updated list of Global Beermoney opportunities (+180!) - June 2020
Updated list of Global Beermoney opportunities (+180!) - June 2020
The current, and now previous, Beermoney Global list started nearly 5 years ago. It’s been updated and has grown over all that time, but it also became a hassle to keep current. It was time to build a new list from scratch based on my experience in the Beermoney world over all these years and all the contributions all of you have been making in this sub. The lists consist of opportunities that are available in at least one country that is not the US. This means there are sites which only work in Canada or the UK. There’s sites which are open to the whole world, but this does not mean everyone can really earn something on it. It’s all still very demographic and therefore location dependent. This list should give you a starting point to try out and find what works for you. I’m not using everything myself as I prefer to focus on a few, so not all are tested by me. They are found in this sub, other subreddits and other resources where people claim to have success. I’ve chosen the format of a simple table with the bare minimum of information to keep things clean. It includes a link, how you earn, personal payment proof if available and sign-up bonus codes if applicable. Some of these bonuses are also one-time use codes specifically made for this sub! For the ones I don’t have payment proof (yet) feel free to provide some as a comment or via modmail so others know it’s legit. I am working on detailed instructions for each method that I personally use which will include things like cashout minimum, cashout options, tips & tricks,... For now I’ve split things up based on the type of earning like passive or mobile. Because of this there’s sometimes an overlap as some are both passive and on mobile or both earning crypto and a GPT (Get Paid To) website. The lists are obviously not complete so I invite you to keep posting new ones in the sub, as a comment to this post, or in modmail. Especially if you have sites or apps which work for one single specific country I can start building a list, just like I did for The Netherlands and Belgium. If you recognize things which are in fact scams or not worth it let me know as well.
Get Paid To (Surveys, tasks, offers, videos, clicking links, play games, searching)
For The Netherlands there are a few very good options next to a bunch of ‘spaarprogramma’s. There ‘spaarprogramma’s are all the same where you receive and click a bunch of e-mails, advertisements, banners,... I advise you to create a separate e-mail address or use a good filter in your inbox as you will be spammed to death. I believe they can be a nice piece of beermoney but they take quite the effort.
Common sites with HIGHEST payout and STABLE income << 04/10/2020 >>
This is a long post, but please try to read it all and select the most suitable one for you. When you see any sites with good payout and good potential, feel free to create a post. Also when you know site that is scam, please create a post to alert everyone as soon as possible. There're 4 main and common types of task you will encounter when using beermoney sites. You can use all the sites or just pick the most suitable type and site to work with. Using more than one site is recommended, as the number of tasks on one site is not high enough, and the tasks will not appear continuously.
I. MICRO-TASK (or Crowdsourcing task)
The task is vary from article assessment, information collection, search-query classification/answer relevance, taking or collecting photo/video, to object identification,... The number of tasks will increase as you complete tasks. Pros: - The number of tasks is higher and more stable than other type of beermoney. - The payout is appropriate to your time and effort. You can even make stable income with them. Cons: - Sometime you will need to pass the training test to access the task. - Your work may not be accepted if it does not meet the guideline. - It can be a little hard in the beginning, there're also not many tasks for you, but BE PATIENT, because they haven't been able to fully assess your ability yet. 1-Toloka Yandex: This is one of my favorite micro task sites, and is the first on the list when I make beermoney site suggestion. The tasks are mainly in English and Russian. They also have task in your mother language too, depend on your setting and location. Don't worry about the language, as you can easily have it to be translated with google translate extension or any translation site and the task is easy enough to understand. The minimum withdrawal is $0.02 if you request to withdrawal once a week, and it will be $1 if more than once a week. You can withdraw the money to PayPal, Payoneer, Skrill or papara. But to be able to withdraw with PayPal, you will need a verified PayPal account. Here are registration links: ref-link and no-ref 2-Clickworker: One of the most popular micro task sites, you can find many recommendations and good reputation about them. But to make the most if it, you will need to unlock UHRS, as describe here. You definitely shouldn't miss Clickworker and UHRS. Their payout rate is higher than Toloka, but be careful that you'll be considered as spam if you complete the task too fast. Depend on your location and language, you can earn a great amount of money here, the highest I've earned in 1 day is $35. You can receive payment to PayPal account with the minimum of €5. You can choose other payment methods too, like SEPA transfers and Transferwise. No need to say anymore, here are the links: ref-link and no-ref 3-Remotasks You will need to take part in training (which is quite hard and time-consuming) and pass the test to be able to access a large number of tasks here. The tasks are categorization, text highlighting, image annotation, semantic segmentation,... and well-known Lidar Annotation and Segmentation. Here are registration links: ref-link and no-ref NOTE FOR MICRO-TASK:
It's highly recommended to use all those sites, and maybe other sites if you want, because the tasks are not shown continuously.
Make sure to fully understand the guideline, as you will not be credited if you work fails to meet the requirement, which will waste your time and effort.
If you find any task with really low credit but require a lot of time and effort, don't do it. If the requester still be able to find worker, they will always offer that price. It's not worth your time, just going to other tasks or going to other sites to see if there're any available tasks for you.
II. OFFER WALL TASK
Another way to earn beermoney online is to complete Offer wall tasks. You will be asked to installing app on your smartphone, signing up, playing game and reaching determined level, or watching video,.... Doing survey can also be listed here, but it will be shown in separate section. There're many offer walls for you to choose, with different payout level. Usually each beermoney site will list many offer walls, one offer can appear in more than one site/wall, so make sure to surf around and compare the credit to find the best and highest payout wall/site for that offer. Pros: - Easy to do - Can complete offer many times if you have different kinds of phone (mostly Android and iOS), or using another phone as the tasks are listed on many different offer walls. - Can earn money while playing and relaxing, as mostly the offered apps are games. Some apps only requires you to install and open, make it really quick to have some beermoney. Cons: - The payout is not very high. Especially when that offer is going through many walls and sites to reach you. - Some offer take much time to complete. - The number of offers is not high enough to do daily. 1-RewardXP RewardXP has surpassed GG2U to become the highest payout site. They have leveling system, the higher level you reach, the more offer walls you can access and the more benefit you can get. With the minimum of $5, they provide a variety of withdrawal methods for you to choose, like PayPal, Amazon, Steam,... You definitely should try this site. Here are your registration links: ref-link and no-ref. Registration with referral link, you will be given a 5000XP (~$0.5) bonus. 2-GG2U: This is also my favorite site. Their paying rate is one of the highest in the market (if you find any other site which is higher, feel free to suggest :D THE HIGHEST ONE NOW is RewardXP, see above). Aside from installing and registering app, they also have many survey walls for you. The most attractive part is that they will give you $1 bonus right after signing up, and after 5 withdrawal requests, you will have a chance to earn up to $7 bonus. With bonus, it's hard to say which is better, RewardXP or GG2U. You can withdraw money to your PayPal account or Coinbase (crypto wallet), with the minimum of $7. Here are your links: ref-link and no-ref 3-Cointiply One of the most popular sites, with great community. They will pay you with cryptocurrency like Bitcoin or Doge. You will have many chances to earn coins, by doing offer walls task, rolling the faucet every 1 hour, testing your luck with multiplier or by activating in their really crowded chat room. You can also earn some coins by clicking Paid-to-click ads. Most of the time, those ads are from Cointiply user with their referral link embedded, so if you register sites when viewing those ads, they will earn some commission. You can try this strategy too :D With their mobile app, it will be much easier to do mobile offers. Make sure to check your email and mobile app to get the user-limited Promotion Codes regularly. Registration links: ref-link and no-ref 4-Swagbucks Sometime you can earn money by spending less. Swagbucks offers a big number of sites where you can receive cash back when you shop online. If you shop online a lot, it's worth to take a look Here are registration link for shopping: ref-link-shopping and no-ref-shopping Beside the cash back program, Swagbucks also provides offer wall, however the paying rate is not as high as site 1 and 2 above. Anyway, if you want to try, here're your registration links: ref-link and no-ref 5-EarnCrypto If you're into doing offer walls task and earning crypto currency, try this site too. Their paying rate is quite lower than above sites, but they have Data entry task, which is daily, for you to earn some coins. By ranking high on their daily leader board, you will be rewarded with a great amount of coins (can even be higher than your earning from doing the data entry task itself :D). There are many different kinds of crypto currency for you to select. Just take a look if you have time: ref-link and no-ref NOTE FOR OFFER WALL TASK:
Every offer wall has a place to track your activity history, like what offer you clicked, what offer you completed and did you receive credit or not. Every time you're about to do an offer, after entering that offer (usually when you click an offer, a small panel about what offer is appears, there will be a button name 'continue' or 'go to offer', after you click that button, you're entering the offer), make sure that offer appears in your history tab of that offer wall. This will enable you to request support in case you complete the offer and have not received credit yet. If it does not appear in the history list, you will not be credited for that offer, so try to click it again.
To find the history tab, after entering offer wall, you will need to find a button named 'My coin', 'My history', 'Support', or button with question mark,... That button should be easy to be found.
Try to surf around to find the offer wall and site having the highest paying rate for the offer, as the same offer will appear in many offer walls and sites.
When you're about to start to do an offer of installing app (especially game), try to read the comment in appstore/playstore to see whether the offer's requirements can be easily to fulfill or not. For example, the requirements are: 1. install game, 2. open it, 3. reach level 30; and you find some comment about cannot reach level 25, or it takes months to reach level 29, then skip that offer, it's not worth the try.
III. PAY TO SEARCH
You can earn nearly passive income from this type of task. They will give you some query, you will search with that query, entering determined site, leaving that site opened for couple of minutes. Pros: - It's super easy to do. - While leaving the site open, you can do any other thing you want, like doing some micro-tasks. - The paying rate is quite good, especially when you will not need to do much. Cons: - The number of queries is not very high. 1-SerpClix In order to receive more queries to search, make sure to leave the site open and allow the notification. Even though SerpClix recommends you to click on the page, don't do that, just using scrollbar. SerpClix will automatically navigate to sub page of that page. Another suggestion here is to install adblock extension, because SerpClix will ban you if you click on any ads on the page, so blocking them before hand is a good move. Here your registration links: ref-link and no-ref
Probably all offer walls have some kind of surveys there, some surveys are only available through offer walls, some have their own sites. By using their own sites will not guarantee that you will have higher payout though. Make sure to be honest when doing survey, despite the fact that you will sometime be disqualified from the survey. There's many reasons why you are disqualified, like because your job is not suitable, your demography is not their target, your answer is not persistent,... BE CAREFUL, they will keep track of you, even if you clear your cookie, so being dishonest can lead you to be banned from their sites. Again, BE HONEST, and there will be suitable surveys for you. There will be two types of survey for you: the first one is filling form and selecting answer from their suggestion, the second one is to talk with them directly or via Video call apps. The second one has much much higher earning but the requirement is also higher too. Pros: - Easy to do, just being honest - High payout, especially with the second type of survey. - Some survey only need 5 minutes to complete with good payout. Cons: - Some survey can take about 30 minutes to complete, so make sure that you have enough free time. - You will be disqualified if your information is not suitable to their survey's target. BUT ALWAYS BE HONEST. 1-SurveyTime One of the best sites out there, my favorite one. They will instantly send you $1 or $0.5 (depend on survey) to your PayPal or Coinbase account when you complete the survey, so no minimum required to withdrawal. The survey you will do here is the first type, filling in the form and selecting answer. You can register with SurveyTime through some offer walls, as they will give you some more coins when you complete the survey, but make sure to check their's conditions. Make sure to turn on Browser notification and Email notification so that you don't miss any survey. Registration links: no-ref 2-Respondent You will need a microphone and/or webcam (built-in or external) as the survey in Respondent is conducted via video calls, phone calls, in-person discussions. Of course, you will receive a huge credit for doing survey here, from $5 up-to $1000. This's a great deal, one successful survey can get you more credit than doing hundreds of micro-tasks. Don't miss this site. They will recommend suitable survey for you, but if you want to view all available survey, make sure to uncheck the 'Recommended' option in Filter panel. Here're your registration links: ref-link and no-ref NOTE FOR SURVEY TASK:
sometime, they will provide the must-select answer in the question to test if your attention. Make sure to read the question carefully. For example, the question is "Do you agree that 1 + 1 = 2? Select option [I do not agree] in the answer", if you select [I agree], you fail.
BE CAREFUL - BE HONEST
When you're doing the first type survey (filling form, selecting answer), be careful not to install any app, or download any thing, or upload your social data file when asked. In that case, just contact survey site support and report it.
It's better to use many different survey sites to maximum the number of surveys you receive.
Last word, BE PATIENT - earning online can be a little hard in the beginning. Feel free to share your experience when using beermoney sites (and your referral link too :D) or ask question about any beermoney sites by creating new post. Also creating new post when you know that any site is scam or becomes scam. P.S 1: In case you need a Crypto wallet, you can use Coinbase, registration links: ref-link and no-ref, or Binance ref-link and no-ref. You can read here for the comparison between Coibase and Binance P.S 2: You can add some email addresses to PayPal account, so you can use many email address to register to beermoney sites if you want P.S 3: If you're confident with your English, and have a computer, microphone and webcam, you can try Usertesting site, you will visit a website that requires you to test, talk about your experience of using that site Here is the link: no-ref
Some of you may have seen my post from here a few days ago. I met a couple friends for beers yesterday and introduced them to Nano. They both already own some Bitcoin and Ethereum, so they were not newbies to crypto but neither had heard of Nano before now. Long story short, we have 2 new fans of Nano and they are both wanting to get about 1,000-3,000 each to hang on to for a few years. Here’s a brief rundown of our talk: -background on Bitcoin, original purpose -issues with Bitcoin (speed, fees, etc) -intro to Nano (faucet distribution, block lattice, feeless, speed, no mining, no inflation) -download Natrium on both their phones -sent them each one Nano At this point they both started asking how to buy Nano. I knew that was a good sign. Not sure if this was a good idea or not, but I told them I would be glad to help them buy it so they didn’t have to go through KYC. So that’s what we’re probably going to do. -They thought the Natrium wallet was really neat especially when I scanned the QR code to easily grab their address -One of them asked if it was only that fast because we were 2 feet away, he thought it was using bluetooth, I had to explain that it had nothing to do with Bluetooth and I had him turn off his Bluetooth and send me back the Nano just to prove it to him So overall it went as good as I could have hoped. I don’t think they will be shills, but they are definitely on board.
Lastupdated2018-01-29 This post is a collaboration with the Bitcoin community to create a one-stop source for Lightning Network information. There are still questions in the FAQ that are unanswered, if you know the answer and can provide a source please do so!
Lightning Network White Paper - The protocol has changed since this original paper, but covers the mid-level mechanics of the Lightning Network with an emphasis on the smart contracts that make it trustless
If you can answer please PM me and include source if possible. Feel free to help keep these answers up to date and as brief but correct as possible
Is Lightning Bitcoin?
Yes. You pick a peer and after some setup, create a bitcoin transaction to fund the lightning channel; it’ll then take another transaction to close it and release your funds. You and your peer always hold a bitcoin transaction to get your funds whenever you want: just broadcast to the blockchain like normal. In other words, you and your peer create a shared account, and then use Lightning to securely negotiate who gets how much from that shared account, without waiting for the bitcoin blockchain.
Is the Lightning Network open source?
Yes, Lightning is open source. Anyone can review the code (in the same way as the bitcoin code)
Who owns and controls the Lightning Network?
Similar to the bitcoin network, no one will ever own or control the Lightning Network. The code is open source and free for anyone to download and review. Anyone can run a node and be part of the network.
I’ve heard that Lightning transactions are happening “off-chain”…Does that mean that my bitcoin will be removed from the blockchain?
No, your bitcoin will never leave the blockchain. Instead your bitcoin will be held in a multi-signature address as long as your channel stays open. When the channel is closed; the final transaction will be added to the blockchain. “Off-chain” is not a perfect term, but it is used due to the fact that the transfer of ownership is no longer reflected on the blockchain until the channel is closed.
Do I need a constant connection to run a lightning node?
Not necessarily, Example: A and B have a channel. 1 BTC each. A sends B 0.5 BTC. B sends back 0.25 BTC. Balance should be A = 0.75, B = 1.25. If A gets disconnected, B can publish the first Tx where the balance was A = 0.5 and B = 1.5. If the node B does in fact attempt to cheat by publishing an old state (such as the A=0.5 and B=1.5 state), this cheat can then be detected on-chain and used to steal the cheaters funds, i.e., A can see the closing transaction, notice it's an old one and grab all funds in the channel (A=2, B=0). The time that A has in order to react to the cheating counterparty is given by the CheckLockTimeVerify (CLTV) in the cheating transaction, which is adjustable. So if A foresees that it'll be able to check in about once every 24 hours it'll require that the CLTV is at least that large, if it's once a week then that's fine too. You definitely do not need to be online and watching the chain 24/7, just make sure to check in once in a while before the CLTV expires. Alternatively you can outsource the watch duties, in order to keep the CLTV timeouts low. This can be achieved both with trusted third parties or untrusted ones (watchtowers). In the case of a unilateral close, e.g., you just go offline and never come back, the other endpoint will have to wait for that timeout to expire to get its funds back. So peers might not accept channels with extremely high CLTV timeouts. -- Source
What Are Lightning’s Advantages?
Tiny payments are possible: since fees are proportional to the payment amount, you can pay a fraction of a cent; accounting is even done in thousandths of a satoshi. Payments are settled instantly: the money is sent in the time it takes to cross the network to your destination and back, typically a fraction of a second.
Does Lightning require Segregated Witness?
Yes, but not in theory. You could make a poorer lightning network without it, which has higher risks when establishing channels (you might have to wait a month if things go wrong!), has limited channel lifetime, longer minimum payment expiry times on each hop, is less efficient and has less robust outsourcing. The entire spec as written today assumes segregated witness, as it solves all these problems.
Can I Send Funds From Lightning to a Normal Bitcoin Address?
No, for now. For the first version of the protocol, if you wanted to send a normal bitcoin transaction using your channel, you have to close it, send the funds, then reopen the channel (3 transactions). In future versions, you and your peer would agree to spend out of your lightning channel funds just like a normal bitcoin payment, allowing you to use your lightning wallet like a normal bitcoin wallet.
Can I Make Money Running a Lightning Node?
Not really. Anyone can set up a node, and so it’s a race to the bottom on fees. In practice, we may see the network use a nominal fee and not change very much, which only provides an incremental incentive to route on a node you’re going to use yourself, and not enough to run one merely for fees. Having clients use criteria other than fees (e.g. randomness, diversity) in route selection will also help this.
What is the release date for Lightning on Mainnet?
Would there be any KYC/AML issues with certain nodes?
Nope, because there is no custody ever involved. It's just like forwarding packets. -- Source
What is the delay time for the recipient of a transaction receiving confirmation?
Furthermore, the Lightning Network scales not with the transaction throughput of the underlying blockchain, but with modern data processing and latency limits - payments can be made nearly as quickly as packets can be sent. -- Source
How does the lightning network prevent centralization?
How would the lightning network work between exchanges?
Each exchange will get to decide and need to implement the software into their system, but some ideas have been outlined here: Google Doc - Lightning Exchanges Note that by virtue of the usual benefits of cost-less, instantaneous transactions, lightning will make arbitrage between exchanges much more efficient and thus lead to consistent pricing across exchange that adopt it. -- Source
How do lightning nodes find other lightning nodes?
Does every user need to store the state of the complete Lightning Network?
According to Rusty's calculations we should be able to store 1 million nodes in about 100 MB, so that should work even for mobile phones. Beyond that we have some proposals ready to lighten the load on endpoints, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. -- Source
Would I need to download the complete state every time I open the App and make a payment?
No you'd remember the information from the last time you started the app and only sync the differences. This is not yet implemented, but it shouldn't be too hard to get a preliminary protocol working if that turns out to be a problem. -- Source
What needs to happen for the Lightning Network to be deployed and what can I do as a user to help?
Lightning is based on participants in the network running lightning node software that enables them to interact with other nodes. This does not require being a full bitcoin node, but you will have to run "lnd", "eclair", or one of the other node softwares listed above. All lightning wallets have node software integrated into them, because that is necessary to create payment channels and conduct payments on the network, but you can also intentionally run lnd or similar for public benefit - e.g. you can hold open payment channels or channels with higher volume, than you need for your own transactions. You would be compensated in modest fees by those who transact across your node with multi-hop payments. -- Source
Is there anyway for someone who isn't a developer to meaningfully contribute?
Sure, you can help write up educational material. You can learn and read more about the tech at http://dev.lightning.community/resources. You can test the various desktop and mobile apps out there (Lightning Desktop, Zap, Eclair apps). -- Source
Do I need to be a miner to be a Lightning Network node?
Do I need to run a full Bitcoin node to run a lightning node?
lit doesn't depend on having your own full node -- it automatically connects to full nodes on the network. -- Source LND uses a light client mode, so it doesn't require a full node. The name of the light client it uses is called neutrino
How does the lightning network stop "Cheating" (Someone broadcasting an old transaction)?
Upon opening a channel, the two endpoints first agree on a reserve value, below which the channel balance may not drop. This is to make sure that both endpoints always have some skin in the game as rustyreddit puts it :-) For a cheat to become worth it, the opponent has to be absolutely sure that you cannot retaliate against him during the timeout. So he has to make sure you never ever get network connectivity during that time. Having someone else also watching for channel closures and notifying you, or releasing a canned retaliation, makes this even harder for the attacker. This is because if he misjudged you being truly offline you can retaliate by grabbing all of its funds. Spotty connections, DDoS, and similar will not provide the attacker the necessary guarantees to make cheating worthwhile. Any form of uncertainty about your online status acts as a deterrent to the other endpoint. -- Source
How many times would someone need to open and close their lightning channels?
You typically want to have more than one channel open at any given time for redundancy's sake. And we imagine open and close will probably be automated for the most part. In fact we already have a feature in LND called autopilot that can automatically open channels for a user. Frequency will depend whether the funds are needed on-chain or more useful on LN. -- Source
Will the lightning network reduce BTC Liquidity due to "locking-up" funds in channels?
When setting up a Lightning Network Node are fees set for the entire node, or each channel when opened?
You don't really set up a "node" in the sense that anyone with more than one channel can automatically be a node and route payments. Fees on LN can be set by the node, and can change dynamically on the network. -- Source
Can Lightning routing fees be changed dynamically, without closing channels?
Yes but it has to be implemented in the Lightning software being used. -- Source
How can you make sure that there will be routes with large enough balances to handle transactions?
You won't have to do anything. With autopilot enabled, it'll automatically open and close channels based on the availability of the network. -- Source
How does the Lightning Network stop flooding nodes (DDoS) with micro transactions? Is this even an issue?
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↪ Age minimum: 13 ↪ Offers: Surveys, Offer Walls, Tasks, Videos, Gaming Tasks, and Promotional Link Shortener. ↪ Get paid for listening to the radio (US, CA, UK) ↪ Payout: [Minimum: $7] PayPal, BTC to Coinbase, Amazon, Best Buy, GameStop, Google Play, iTunes, Nintendo eShop, Playstation GC, Steam, Target, Walmart, Xbox GC ↪ Referral Incentive: The referring user earns 5% for life. TIPS: • For every 5 cash out requests, you get a Golden Token which will give you $1-7. This results in an average 7.8% higher payments if cashing out at the minimum each time. • If you contact support, you can request to have your payouts issued at the minimum cashout amount rather than for your full balance. This will let you make the most out of the Golden Tickets.
PrizeRebel is a GPT (Get-Paid-To) site. They have many offer walls and survey providers available. You can earn bonus points for meeting your daily goals, and they have bi-monthly contests that reward the top earners. They also have a Level program that allows you to earn a bigger percentage from your referrals, prize discounts, special bonuses, and automatic prize processing. Level up by earning more points. — Payment Proof. *The site is International, but most earning opportunities are for US, UK, CA and AU.
↪ Age minimum: 16 ↪ Offers: Surveys, Offer Walls, Tasks, Videos, Coupons, and Earning Contests. ↪ Payout: [Minimum: $2] Amazon, PayPal, VISA, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Raffles and many more. ↪ Referral Incentive: 15-30% of what your referrals earn for life. TIPS: • Meet your daily goal each day to earn bonus points.
Fetch is an app available for both Android and iOS where users earn money for scanning receipts and for purchasing specific products or brands. You get points for every receipt from a grocery retailer, supermarket, club wholesaler, home improvement/hardware store, pet store or convenience stores, regardless of what you buy. You can get additional points for purchasing specific products or specific brands. Receipts cannot be more than 2 weeks old. It can also be set it up to passively collect e-receipts. — Payment Proof.
↪ Age minimum: Age of majority in your jurisdiction (Usually this is 18). ↪ Offers: Cash back for scanning receipts and buying specific products or brands. ↪ Payout: [Minimum $3] Amazon, Target, Best Buy, Xbox, Applebee's and many more. ↪ Referral Incentive: Both the referrer and the referred user get $2-5 when they scan their first receipt. The exact amount varies depending on the current promotion. This is close to or above the minimum cash out amount. TIPS: • Make sure to check for rebates on any items you regularly stock up on. • You don’t need to add rebates before purchasing items.
Ibotta is an app available for both Android and iOS that gives cash back for shopping at Ibotta's retail and then scanning your receipts to prove what purchases were made. They currently support around 160 stores. Most offers are for newer brands, but they often have well-known names such as Glade or Kraft. They also regularly have cash back deals for "any item" or "any brand". You can also get cash back for shopping on sites such as Amazon and various services such as meal delivery. — Payment Proof.
↪ Age minimum: 18 ↪ Offers: Cash back. ↪ Payout: [Minimum $20] Paypal, Venmo, Amazon, BestBuy, Starbucks and many more. ↪ Referral: Referred users get a $20 Welcome Bonus after redeeming their first brand name receipt. Referring users get $5 for each referred user who receives their welcome bonus. They also often run bonuses for referring a certain number of users during the month. TIPS:: • Always check for the "Any Item" rebate before scanning a receipt. • Check your account for bonuses. They often have bonuses for redeeming certain groups of rebates or for redeeming a certain number of rebates within a time limit. • You can link your Facebook account in order to participate in teamwork bonuses with friends.
GamerMine is a GPT site founded in January of 2017 that values the experience of their users. With over $115,000 USD paid out to their users over 25,000 withdrawals, they've earned the trust of many members of the beermoney community.
↪ YourSurveys Direct Integration - Complete the highest paying surveys on the market, directly sourced from YourSurveys and tailored to your profiling info. ↪ Steam Reward - Get paid by wearing our brand/gaming with it on Steam. ↪ Daily Bonus - Claim a bonus everyday that scales with your level. More earnings, higher daily free. Top members are earning up to $1.00 USD per day! ↪ Age minimum: 13 ↪ Inventory/Item System - Earn boosters that can be used whenever you want to increase your earnings on an offer. TIPS: • Leaderboard - Daily/monthly that auto-rewards the highest earners in the period.
Mturk is a platform that allows clients to post a large number of jobs. It is a bit more professional than the typical /beermoney site. You work for "requesters" and they can approve or reject your submitted tasks, also known as HITs. You can earn a lot more money on this site than other typical /beermoney sites, but you need to pay attention to which jobs you accept. Not all HITs pay well. They do require some sensitive information from you for tax purposes. Not everyone gets approved to work here, and some people will be approved months or years after being rejected. — Payment Proof. *This site is international, but most of the tasks are only available for the USA. International users can only redeem Amazon.com balance.
↪ Age minimum: 18 ↪ Offers: A large number of tasks including Surveys, Transcription, Translation, Website Testing, Data Entry and much more. ↪ Payout: [Minimum $0.01] Amazon.com Balance and Amazon Payments Balance. Amazon Payments Balance can be transferred to a bank account. Note: All Amazon Balance is for the USA Amazon.com website regardless of your country. ↪ Referral Incentive: None TIPS: • Only do HITs that pay at least 10¢/minute. This gives you a rate of $6/hour. Mturk crowd forum and /hitsworthturkingfor are good places to check for higher paying HITs. • It is better to return a HIT than to submit to if you are unsure whether the requester will approve it. Returning a HIT will not negatively affect you, but a rejection will. • Scripts are allowed and encouraged. Checked /mturk for more tips and suggestions.
UserTesting is a usability testing site. You get paid to record your screen and speak aloud while performing a number of specified tasks. These tasks are generally related to testing a website or an app, but some tests may have you complete a survey, play a game, test new software, etc. At the start you may receive $3 sample tests, but after a while you will see $10 unmoderated tests. Moderated tests start at $30 per test, and usually require you to have a webcam. Payment arrives via PayPal exactly 7 days after your test is completed. — Payment Proof. *The site is International, but most earning opportunities are for US, UK, CA and AU.
↪ Age minimum: 18 ↪ Offers: Usability testing ↪ Payout: [Minimum: None] PayPal ↪ Referral Incentive: None. TIPS: • Completing the unpaid surveys at the top may qualify you for additional tests. • Make sure to follow instructions carefully, keep talking, and be professional. Keeping a high quality rating is essential if you want to receive plenty of tests.
GetUpside is an app available on both Android and iOS that gives you cash back on gas, groceries and restaurants. You can get up to $0.25 per gallon of gas (or up to $0.50 per gallon twice per day), 15% on groceries, and 35% at restaurants. Some gas stations offer cash back on convenience store purchases, car washes, inspections, oil changes, etc. GetUpside also gives you a map of all the participating gas stations in your area, and you can get additional points for confirming or fixing the prices.
↪ Age Minimum: 13 ↪ Offers: Cashback on gas, groceries and restaurants. ↪ Payout: PayPal ($1 fee if under $15), Check ($1 fee if under $50), Amazon, Home Depot, Target, and many more. [GC Minimum: $10] ↪ Referral Incentive: The referred user gets $0.15-$0.20 off per gallon of gas on their first purchase. The referring user gets $0.01-$0.02 per gallon from direct referrals, and $0.005-$0.01 per gallon for indirect referrals for life. Amount varies per person. As of 05/18/20 (not sure how long it will last) new users who sign up with the link above get a $7-$14(varies per person) bonus if they buy at least $10 worth of gas. TIPS: • You must make your purchase with a debit or credit card. Cash, prepaid cards, gift cards, and EBT are not eligible forms of payment. • You only have 4 hours to make your gas or restaurant purchase after claiming the offer. Grocery offers have 24 hours. All receipts must be scanned within 24 hours from when you claim the offer.
Cash Back From Shopping Online
These sites give cash back on your online purchases. Online purchases require you to click their affiliate link prior to shopping. Ebates US has in-store offers as well. In-store purchases require you to link a debit/credit card and to active the offer prior to shopping. Most of these sites are International, but your shopping opportunities may be limited, and you will only get paid in the associated currency. — Ebates Payment Proof.
TIPS: • Make sure to click on the "Shop Now" or “Get Cashback” button before adding items to your cart. Otherwise, your shopping trip may not count. • You can only use one shopping portal per shopping trip. Attempting to use more than one may cause problems crediting your account. • Disable any ad blockers while shopping. • For US Users: Sometimes you can earn more cash back on Ebates or TopCashBack than the other for a particular store. Check both sites if you want to get the most cash back for each purchase. • For TopCashBack UK Users: New users are automatically enrolled into the Plus membership. Downgrade to the Classic membership to avoid being charged £5/year.
Master Card, PayPal, BACS, Gift Cards, British Airways
Amazon Pay, NEFT, Paytm
PayPal, Amazon, UnionPay
New User Bonus
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Sites to Avoid: Definitely DO NOT post these.
✖ Earnsanity — Shady owner, sketchy site. Held giveaway and then refunded the prizes after it was over. History of scamming many others. AVOID AT ALL COSTS UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE SCAMMED. ✖ Paidverts — Shady owner, sketchy site. Keeps doing debt swaps (cash to BAP). Do not post. ✖ Neobux — It isn’t really a scam, but they operate as a pyramid scheme. There’s money to be made online, but it’s definitely not there. ✖ MarketGlory — It does pay out, but the pay is absolutely ridiculous. The only way to make a decent amount of money is to have a lot of referrals, and referral whoring on this subreddit WILL result in a permanent ban. ✖ MindSumo — Not actually a /beermoney site. It’s only spam in this sub. ✖ G2A — Scam/sells stolen keys. ✖ Robinhood — This is spammed on our sub constantly. ✖ Quickthoughts — Many reports of people being banned when trying to withdraw as of 10/2018. Do your due diligence before possibly wasting your time on this app. ✖ Sites with $100+ minimum — These sites usually offer higher than normal payments for simple tasks, with a high minimum to cash out. They are always scams. ✖ Generic news sites that pay you ridiculous amounts to read an article (two euros??) — Common sense should take care of this, but in case it doesn’t, it’s always a scam. The site is usually hosted somewhere in Eastern Europe, and you will never get paid. ✖ Free bitcoin sites/"faucets" (THIS INCLUDES QOINPRO) — This is not referring to those video-viewing/task sites (although they’re still paying fragments of a penny). I’m talking about sites that give you 0.000001BTC to fill a captcha (freebitco.in, dailybitcoins). Admittedly many beermoney sites pay low, but don’t even bother with these. Also: Bitcoin mining is NO LONGER PROFITABLE. If you're really so keen on getting bitcoins, doing so through an exchange is your best option. Here are a few more scam sites and sketchy sites.
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Is EOS Network Broken? BAR Provides the Best Using Experience for Users!
Efficiency and using experience are two main factors which hinder the implementation of blockchain application. Recently, EOS, known as blockchain 3.0, has become a big issue. EOS calls itself TPS transfer with at million level, and the whole network is free of gas. However, it was robbed by econnoisseurs in a airdrop activity on November 1, which directly led to serious congestion of the main network, nearly paralyzed. That’s really disappointing. According to EOS blockchain browser, TPS is around 4000 after the main network goes online for more than one year. In fact, not only EOS, but also Ethereum, known as blockchain 2.0, has been seriously congested. For example, in 2017, CryptoKitty blockchain game and ERC-20 USDT on-line transfer in September 2019. On November 13, Block.one, the parent company of EOS, announced in the community that it would participate in node voting to deal with the problem of network operation. However, at this stage, EOS held by Block.one is equivalent to 300 million dollars, accounting for about 10% of the total circulation. Such a huge proportion will lead to a more centralized community governance. In terms of using experience, EOS based on graphene architecture is actually very good. Bitcoin blocks in ten minutes, and Ethereum takes about one minute. In terms of confirmation time, Bitcoin takes about one hour, and Ethereum needs ten minutes, but graphene architecture only takes seconds. In particular, there is no trading fee, which has attracted many fans. According to the requirements for network resource management of EOS, the utilization of CPU, RAM, bandwidth, etc. is based on EOS mortgage. The short-term congestion caused by EOS airdrop is precisely because the CPU resources is pretty popular. The threshold of EOS resource model is too high but the efficiency is too low. In the stage of network congestion, its “threshold using restriction” may lead to a higher using cost, which goes against the original intention of “low cost or even permanent free” of EOS. BAR is also based on graphene architecture, but in order to improve using experience and make it to a real daily level. BAR blockchain also draws on the technical characteristics of LMAXExBARge, which can handle 6 million transactions per second. The advantage of LMAXExBARge is that it uses an object-oriented data mode. All content is saved in memory, and validation is divided into dependent state and independent state to be checked. By keeping the logic of core business in a single thread and the encryption operations (hash and signature) outside the logic of core business, the BAR blockchain can theoretically handle more than 1 million transactions per second without spending a lot of energy on optimization. In terms of the utilization of network resource, BAR rejects excessive hype of resources and has launched tap node mode to rewarded node miners to the greatest extent,. Through the complete open source code of BAR blockchain, the third-party autonomous organization will connect the interface with the application layer path (such as App, web page, Applet) developed by itself and open it to the public. The third-party autonomous organization can open the node with faucet function and ensure the decentralization of the network. The faucet account obtains about 80% of all the trading fees generated by all the ordinary members registered through the faucet account as rewards. The faucet node will bear the operation of the main network and eliminate congestion. The ecosystem of BAR includes not only exchanges, but also Chain-Bar, a decentralized information transfer tool and also a platform for self-media release, and GOCAN, decentralized global network which is open and affiliated. It has over one million user flow and a solid technical foundation. The most powerful public chain is nobody but BAR. BAR has recently increased by more than 110%, ranking first in the public chain area of Feixiaohao for many times. There is no doubt that BAR, with a large number of potential activities, is gradually returning rich investment feedback for users.
TLDR: - *Satoshi’s anonymity ensured the success of Bitcoin in a possible hostile environment. *Creating a public, identifiable source for the Nano project in VE makes it vulnerable. It becomes a target and can be used as an example. *David Hay’s ( very public ) project has gone quiet… why? Can we learn from previous attempts? *Use the NANO sms app and word of mouth, to spread the word and give people access to a faucet, which incentivises use. Then share the app with merchants. ____________________________ Nano Venezuela . org has created a post and shared a roadmap for the project in VE. https://www.reddit.com/nanocurrency/comments/905pol/roadmap_achieving_adoption_in_venezuela/ Within the comments from that post are responses from u/koba7 and u/Lucho-DpS , who is working with u/windows7733 on the ground in VE. They respectfully disagree with the NanoVenezeula project approach and I think what Lucho may be saying is that the decentralised nature of crypto should be leveraged. As an example - No one knows who Satoshi Nakamoto is/was. This may have ensured Bitcoin's success. It would have been far easier to kill Bitcoin if Satoshi Nakamoto was found and publicly convicted of a crime and made to hand over the code. But that couldn't happen because there 'was no Satoshi'. The NANO project is a crypto project, and we know crypto is not embraced by the current regime. If the Nano Venezuela adoption plan is successful the way it is currently proposed - it will mean NANO becomes visible and traceable & therefore all the more easy to cut off at the root, if the regime so wishes. Like Satoshi and Bitcoin would be dead now. I hear David Hays project has been cancelled - can anyone confirm why? Let's learn from previous projects trying to do the same. The challenge is to achieve the goal of providing people on the ground in Venezuela with tradeable digital currency, connected to a fund which can help them. The best chance may be to do this in an indistinct, nebulous way, ensuring the project has no 'Head' to cut off. This is the power of crypto - let's get really clever & think beyond the normal marketing box, because this is not a normal market. What about designing an SMS app ( already in the workings ) and simply pass it around amongst the people, without a trace, nothing printed. Each phone that activates the app receives a share of the funds from the NANO VE faucet each month. This motivates adoption and motivates keeping the app running. Then give the app to merchants too. No billboards, no webpages nothing to focus on. The app itself runs on servers outside the country and is owned by no-one / open source. Use word of mouth only, just a conversation. No pieces of paper, nothing to place focus on, no target. Then they can't kill it. We could call the project NA NOwhere : )) ( and if it works it will actually be NANO everywhere ) edit - typo's & added TLDR.
Log of Mobile Wallet AMA with Lucio - 6th June 2019
Hello! Yesterday we completed our first day of ARK Developer AMA's. I'd like to thank everyone who came and participated in each AMA and I believe it to be a big success! Community feedback can help shape how our software acts, looks and functions so if you have any ideas then feel free to join the next AMA! Our next Developer AMA's will take place on Thursday, June 13th. The topics of discussion will be; ARK Deployer: Alex (10:00 UTC) & ARK Internet-of-Things (IoT): Simon (20:00 UTC) Hope to see you all there! - To join Slack, go to the following link http://slack.ark.io ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the log of the Mobile Wallet AMA Lucio Hey you all! Almost a year and a half after the first release, we are starting the development of Mobile Wallet 2.0. During this time we have collected your feedback and requests to create a wallet focused on what you need. If you have any idea, question or suggestion feel free to tell us. spghtz (ark.party/ civseed) Hey Lucio! Thanks for dropping by.
Will the mobile-wallet v2 (Android and Apple development) take place in public? Or only available when it's been released?
Will the Android version be in Java, Kotlin, or a hybrid?
mak (AIP23 - Delegate Markets) Hey lucio, thanks for the AMA. How do you guys plan on compromising between utility via plugins and different bridgechains etc vs ease of use and simplicity. Seems to me like a hard bargain, especially when you have to throw in the limitations of a touch based UI system. Munich (ARKLand Delegate) Hey Lucio :slightly_smiling_face: Extending @spghtz (ark.party / civseed)’s 2nd question, I’d like to ask if you guys have considered using React Native rather than Ionic for the v2 wallet Lucio @spghtz (ark.party / civseed)
Our projects are usually developed internally, and when ready we release the source code.
It will be native, but with the same codebase. I'm analyzing 4 frameworks, React Native, Vue Native, NativeScript and Flutter.
[Transcript] Crypto Zombie Interview With Anonymous Komodo Founder JL777
Crypto Zombie talks about the interview at 13:30 of his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOdWcuuSFA Link to full text at pages 10 to 15: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/b1c805c050ef6fca080b9d888/files/cf42e52f-5978-4f4e-b45a-241b94af4638/12_BlockchainBrief_November.pdf ------- CRYPTO ZOMBIE: It is difficult to describe the Komodo Platform in just a few words. Often confused as simply a privacy coin, KMD, is actually an incredibly robust and intricate ecosystem. With Komodo’s unique spin on smart contracts, referred to as “crypto-conditions,” and the fact that KMD has already achieved 45,000 TPS (1,000,000 possible in the near future), this platform may actually be the first crypto to solve all four of blockchain’s major pain-points: privacy, scalability, interoperability, and security. In this much anticipated AMA, I got to chat with the anonymous founder of Komodo, JL777, via the Komodo Discord. Here is what JL777 had to say... CZ: So let’s jump into this directly with the MOST requested community question: Are you Satoshi Nakamoto? JL777: Happy to answer questions of a non-personal nature. That seems pretty personal. But I didn’t arrive in crypto until late 2013, so clearly I can’t be Satoshi. Maybe there are a lot of similarities in our beliefs, but he was gone before I arrived. CZ: Just starting off with some fun! Alright, so all jokes asides let’s dive in. What exactly is Komodo (KMD)? JL777: It has many different aspects, hard to make a single statement about it. I know this drives the marketing side nuts as they need these elevator pitch things. However, I can explain how it is evolving. It starts with the desired end solution: a crypto that can handle mass market scale, has privacy, is secure, and fast. Given that just getting two of those four usually requires making significant trade-offs to decentralization. You can imagine that it is not an easy problem to solve! So, KMD starts with Zcash privacy: the best available privacy tech. So, we can check that off the list. But, it needs to be secure. So I had to invent the dPoW [consensus] to leverage BTC’s massive hashrate. That allowed us to have a lot of independent chains, all secured by dPoW, which led to the runtime forking ability that lets you launch a chain from the command line without any source code changes. PoW, PoS, some hybrid, all types of premine and emission schedules. CZ: Could you briefly explain dPoW and why it’s so secure, for those who don’t understand? JL777: dPoW is dynamically creating decentralized checkpoints to the BTC blockchain. That means that once a block is notarized, it is like having it “write protected.” No need to worry about it being rewritten. Being rewritten is a very real danger! CZ: So in other words as long as BTC is not under 51% attack it would be impossible for Komodo or any of it’s chains to be affected? JL777: I wouldn’t say impossible, but it becomes order of magnitude (or more) difficult. I wrote a description of the reorg process and can post it here if you’d like. CZ: Sure we can link to it for further research. That would be great! JL777: https://github.com/KomodoPlatform/Mastering_CryptoConditions It directly applies to explaining dPoW. It is from the documentation on the channels CC (Crypto-Conditions), which implements an improved form of Lightning Networks and addresses the latency issue, as it provides dPoW protection to mempool transactions. With the privacy and security items addressed, the next thing to do was scaling. Along the way people kept asking for smart contracts. With the notarization process in place, it enabled us to create a solution that non-notarized chains are unable to do. That is creating a reference set of hashes that allow you to verify that a transaction on any chain has been confirmed, on any other chain. It uses a method that is very similar to SPV validation. It’s all about merkleroots and merkleroots of merkleroots from many different chains all being combined. This is sent back to the notarizer and ends up in the notarization data. Once it’s there, then any notarized chain is able to validate the raw data from a transaction that actually happened on a different chain. What that allows is a burn protocol to burn coins on one chain and recreate them on another. So, the total coins across all of the fungible chains are constant. That means you can have however many chains you need for the transactions per second (TPS) needed. Anytime you need to transfer coins from one chain to the next, you use the burn protocol. Reading it, it does seem pretty deep technical... sorry... I guess it can be summarized as using notarization to create a cluster of chains whose total coin supply is held constant. This forms our scaling solution. Instead of having to create some cutting edge networking protocol that can handle some crazy TPS, with our solution you just spawn a new chain. It is similar to building more roads if your existing roads are congested. No need for any magical maglev vacuum tube high throughput high ways. Just a bunch of normal roads, if you have a bunch of cars... Just a bunch of normal blockchains if you need a bunch of TPS. I much prefer the simple solutions, as I can fully understand those. CZ: Exactly! Such a simple solution, but yet you still see so many people going crazy over TPS! On the topic of tech, I’m curious what your thoughts are on some of these newer solutions, such as the rise of DAG protocols? JL777: When it gets so complex and you need some math jargon to prove that it works... well, how can I know that it does? Code isn’t exactly a math proof. I think there are many very interesting experiments. However, I prefer to stick with the tried and true Bitcoin protocol and extend it. Why reinvent the wheel? Especially when so much work has been done already to make Bitcoin work as well as it does. It only breaks down at high load and isn’t very easy to program. Though I did make an atomic swap system called BarterDEX, which does utilize the Bitcoin script. CZ: Yes! Let’s expand on that! What is the difference between atomic swaps and etomic swaps? JL777: Etomic swap was just my way of quickly getting ETH into the BarterDEX. BarterDEX uses the Bitcoin protocol to do swaps. ETH doesn’t do Bitcoin protocol so I made an ETOMIC coin and you swap that using the protocol. We implemented a 1:1 lock/unlock of ETH/ERC20 for the ETOMIC. It does add a new layer and with mm2, we will directly implement atomic swaps between ETH and Bitcoin protocol. CZ: With so many blockchains now switching from ERC-20s to their own mainnets (native blockchains), does this mean that some blockchains will never be interoperable through the BarterDEX? Or do you think it’s a possibility in the future? JL777: With there being so many totally incompatible new protocols, it seems unlikely that they will interoperate very well and will go off and create their own island. Isolated from the rest of crypto. Maybe some will be very big islands though. Unless they have enough usage on their “island” it would seem it will eventually become a problem... CZ: This does make you wonder if TRUE interoperability between all blockchains will ever be possible... JL777: I think if these islands wanted to be interoperable, they can add this, but I suspect some don’t want to be. They maybe have dreams of becoming the only crypto. Which, of course, is an unrealistic expectation when the barrier to create a new crypto is so low. You don’t need a nation state to create a crypto! Even with such a big barrier, we end up with hundreds of fiat currencies. There is no single global currency, so how on earth can anybody truly believe there will be some single crypto? I try to base my decisions on common sense and simplicity. It ends up being quite complex as it is, even if it is created out of simple components. Now that KMD is getting the CC extensions, it completes all the technical requirements. The Crypto Conditions is mainly for the scaling solution, but I started experimenting with it a couple months ago and it started surprising me with its power! CZ: This is true! I know you have a unique way of handling smart contracts. What are Crypto-Conditions and what makes UTXO-based smart contracts such a breakthrough for the future of blockchain? JL777: To call it smart contracts is really understating what it is. Consider that it is possible to have a single CC (Crypto-Condition) transaction type mean “run the associated smart contract using the interpreted language.” What the CC does is create a new vout type, like p2pk, p2pkh, p2sh, there is a new CC vout type. This is an output that needs to satisfy the specified CC script, which can handle the industry standard Crypto-Conditions specification. But I had it extended a bit so we can have custom functions that also need to be satisfied. By making it a custom function, it allows essentially anything to be implemented. And by anything, I mean ANYTHING. At first I wasn’t 100% sure of this, but my first four CC extensions I made were: faucet, rewards, dice, and assets. The faucet is a blockchain enforced faucet. Rewards is a blockchain enforced rewards plan. Basically what most people want masternodes for. Lock funds... get some extra percentage. Dice is a blockchain enforced real-time dice game, just to show that such things can be done. Assets is a token creation system that allows a user to create new tokens with a single transaction. I also implemented functions needed for a DEX. So, basically counter-party functionality. These were the first four and I did it in several weeks as I was learning about how to do it and doing them for the first time. My thinking is that after we get a critical mass of CC extensions, the vast majority of dApps can be created just via RPC calls. No need to code a new CC extension, no need to code a smart contract, just issue RPC calls (or just click buttons and forms in a GUI). The next iteration of CC, I came up with oracles, gateways, prices and channels. Oracles creates a market driven data market for “oracle-izing” data on-chain. Gateways uses the oracles and assets to automatically tokenize BTC to an on-chain asset and also allows for automatically process withdraws. Basically the proxy DEX model of trading BTC equivalents, but it will be protected with a multisig custodians and all the tokens are locked in a contract until released with a valid deposit. The prices CC will use the oracles and gateway CC to implement a cash settled BitMEX type of leveraged betting on the BTC price. The channels CC is being debugged by one of the new devs who just started last week and it will be a better form of Lightning Network, as it uses a backward compatible transaction format, doesn’t require nodes to be online, and is secured by dPoW. CZ: Thats crazy! Most people really have no idea the Komodo platform is this robust. Komodo seems like it has already achieved so many things: scalability, privacy, interoperability, and security. So why do you feel it often gets overshadowed by newer, more “flashy” tech, that may in fact be inferior? JL777: I think the problem is that it has too much for any “elevator pitch,” so nobody who makes decisions in elevators decides to buy KMD! I don’t think there is any flashier tech than KMD, considering it solves all the crypto issues that other projects are struggling to do just a couple aspects of, when we can implement the entire value add of some project with a single CC that takes a few weeks to do... If that isn’t flashy, not sure what is! CZ: So, I recently spoke with PTYX from Chainzilla. Will Komodo platform continue offering services to premiere partners or will you be “passing the torch” over to other Blockchain-as-a-service platforms like Chainzilla? JL777: I just write code, so no idea what will happen regarding the non-coding side of things. I also don’t do GUI, so no idea when any of that will be done. I am just a simple C programmer. So I write C code to solve the deep tech issues that are otherwise unsolved. CZ: Gotcha... But you know that’s VERY important, especially for user adoption. JL777: Ideas by Nature I am trusting will solve the GUI issues. Much, much better than I could. I have to rely on others to get such things done. CZ: Yes I’m excited to see how that turns out! Let’s discuss adoption. You always hear people speak about “mass adoption,” but what do you feel it will REALLY take in order for this technology to reach the masses? JL777: Games. Realtime crypto games. That is why I did dice CC. We also have plans for a lotto CC. But, really any sort of game can be made blockchain enforceable now by using the CC tech. And, being UTXO-based, it is much more secure and so far it is much faster to code and debug. CZ: I’m so glad you said that because I feel games will be a huge proponent as well! Are you guys looking to also be able to deal with non-fungibles? For example ERC-721s? JL777: Already done. We just need a lot more coders, domain specific CC, to take the reference CC I am making and customizing it into some specific dApp. My role is to show the type of things that can be done, but we really need a big ecosystem with projects doing the various games and specific use case dApps. CZ: Do you make any decisions outside of just the coding? How does the governance within Komodo work? JL777: People like to ask me for my opinion, even on things like colors and such things, but I try to stay out of it as much as possible. Let each person with expertise make the decisions. If there is some deadlock, then maybe I let my opinion be known. But, I don’t have any special powers, other than the common sense thing, and people when they hear a good common sense solution to a problem they are battling with, it is usually adopted. But, I stay out of the team meetings and let them do their thing. Things are centralized around me too much as it is, so I try to reduce it as much as possible CZ: That’s good to know. Seems quite fair. Everyone has a say and anyone can expand on the ecosystem how they see fit to the best of their abilities. JL777: Yes, totally open community. CZ: So, this is another community question: What is your relationship with ØCryptoUnion? JL777: There is no formal relationship. They are working on some sort of gateway project, like several other projects. But, there are dozens of projects in the ecosystem and no formal relationship. This is old style crypto, not the new style corporate. At least that is how I am “managing” the open source side of things. There is a different side, that I am not involved in, so I can’t speak to how things are done there. CZ: You bring up a good point, however, given the reality that we live in a world that is controlled by few (governments, institutions, etc), do you think a truly decentralized future is realistically possible? JL777: A much more decentralized future is possible. But, it is also possible for a global totalitarian state. We already are close to a global surveillance state... very dangerous CZ: I think the biggest problem is getting people to actually CARE. Most people just want the easiest, most convenient thing and often are willing to sacrifice privacy over convenience. JL777: Well, when it comes to MONEY, people do CARE. Especially in the parts of the world where basic survival is not easy. But yes, privacy has been sacrificed a lot, to the point where people think you must be some sort of extremist if you just want to keep some privacy. But, a lot of writers of novels used pen-names. Nobody went accusing them. When the police can’t be trusted to be fair, then everybody cares about hiding as much as possible, since anything can and will be used against you! And we know we can’t trust criminals, since they ignore the law.. So why advertise to the world who you are? CZ: I agree. People always say “well if you have nothing to hide, then who cares?” I think thats the wrong attitude. So, before we go I just wanted ask one final question. Ultimately, what is your grand vision for the Komodo Platform and what can we expect in the near future? L777: Like you said, mass market adoption will need nice GUI. The low level tech in my mind is basically done. We just need to do a bunch more CC, which can, and will be done. Then people can make dApps via RPC calls. So with the easy to use GUI that gets mass market adoption, that achieves the goal of the scalable, secure, private and fast crypto. Likely KMD will be the first to achieve all four and have an atomic DEX to interface with many other cryptos. It has been a long journey, but within a year or so, I think I will become much less important. Things shift into the “GUI-zation” side of things. Maybe I can take a vacation... CZ: I have no idea how to code but I can only imagine that vacation will be WELL deserved! JL777: Just imagine writing a novel where if you make ANY mistake it crashes! Not just spelling or grammar, but character development, plot, or any error and BOOM! It’s DEAD! CZ: Great analogy! Well, thanks so much JL777 for taking time out of your busy schedule to have this chat. You are clearly an intelligent person and I’ve really enjoyed this. There is so much more we could talk about, but unfortunately there is only so much time! JL777: It was fun to chat! Feel free to stop by the Discord anytime. There is an “Ask-JL777 channel” here. Just post there anytime and I will answer.
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